good evening. welcome to "the ed show" live from minneapolis. it's 5:00 eastern. let's get to work. that town has been a petrie dish of everything the democrat party stands for. >> take him to detroit. >> no! not detroit! >> i love you, detroit. >> massive unions, massive pensions. >> yes, lavish pensions. on average $19,000 a year which detroit now says they will pay 10 cents on the dollar. >> when union membership goes down, so do middle class wages. >> then the unions came in. then the democratic machine came in. then the drugs came in. >> every politician who puts their hand on the bible and takes the oath of office has a duty to this city and to manufacturing in this country. >> it yields a cat like kid

rock. it must have good stuff in it. but the dems ran it into the ground. >> they don't have a fiscal problem, steve. they have a cultural collapse. >> see all those people in those pictures? have you ever seen so many americans be a failure at so many things? here we go again. i will not let this story go. there is more evidence detroit is truly, truly a conservative utopia. yes, i'm not going to get off this story. and it is something this country needs to pay attention to. conservatives keep blaming everything but their own bankrupt policies for detroit's financial troubles. here we go again this week. the republicans' top water carrier and their favorite conservative columnist took turns bashing the city and its people. we are now getting into the

territory of insults. rush limbaugh started by blaming the democrats. >> that town has been a petrie dish of everything the democrat party stands for. everything the democrat party loves. massive unions, massive pensions, pay people pensions, health care long after they've stopped working. the math doesn't add up. you have massive welfare states where citizens are giving things left and right in order to buy their votes. >> well, the conservative grand poobah of talk radio showed his true colors by attacking african-americans. >> you bring on mayor coleman young who causes the riots in 1967, detroit, and mayor young calls a white flight to suburbia and detroit is left with nothing but liberal democrats running it. >> and here come conservative

commentator george will. flat out insulting detroit on national television. >> can't solve the problems because the problems are cultural. you have a city, 139 square miles. you can raise cattle in vast portions of it. dangerous herds of ferrial dogs roaming. you have students reading at the national math standards. 47% are functionally illiterate. 79% are born to unmarried mothers. they dome have a fiscal problem. they have a cultural collapse. >> hold it right there. you may not to tell me that a third grader just absolutely just out of nowhere learns to read? teaching doesn't mean anything. resourcing classrooms? no. there's supposed to be magic being made in a big city like detroit where jobs are being shipped overseas. let's just turn it over and blame the kids. it is a cultural problem.

the corporate culture that has starved the city. now george will is taking the insults to an entirely new level and blaming an entire political system for detroit's problems. george will calls the city's bankruptcy detroit's death by democracy. isn't it ironic they've taken democracy away from detroit? he compares the unions to a parasite. conservatives want to see, plant this image of this disgusting bug in your mind. when you hear the word union. george will says the unions devoured detroit from inside out leaving nothing but an empty husk. conservatives are using the most insulting language possible that they can come up with to bram unions, blame black people, blame their culture for detroit's troubles. the real parasites, my friends, are their conservative ideals coming from state government and from the feds. forbes, this is a success story.

forbes reports that detroit automakers posted their best july sales since 2006. the people who once built the cars won't get the pensions they were promised. but the big auto makers are doing just fine after we help them out with federal money. for the worker, to hell with the workers. they don't mean anything. this is the conservative utopia. an entire city is decimated after spending decades in service to a major industry which is manufacturing. none of these conservatives are going to go out and bail out detroit who helped out the able industry. they're not going to do that the same way they did the able industry. in fact, detroit gets less financial help from the federal government than the country of colombia who we help out all the time. the united states will be sending colombia about $323 million next year while detroit is slated to get less than $109 million. they've already said they will use that for bulldozing communities.

the stock market is seeing record highs and major company are celebrating big sales. that's good for america. where is the investment in american workers? we're just going to let an entire city just go off into the dust. because some democrats were in charge of pension plans and fair wages in america. but now it is the big banks. they are now asking the judge for first dibs on the city's tax dollars. residents stage a protest on 48. i don't think they'll give up. but apparently the banks want to fick bones claen before detroit can even get back on its feet. >> we say take it from the banks. the banks destroyed detroit. they trapped detroit into high interest loans. now they're demanding first lien on all tax dollars. we're saying hell no. >> so they want first in. the big banks. your tax dollars went to save the financial sector in this

country. will your tax dollars go to float a loan to the people of detroit to rebuild their communities? hell no. big banks are the real parasites of detroit. and the people are the victims in this. union busting is the really parasite. conservative policies which help businesses out for years. and are now saying, we don't want to fund public education. we're not going down that road. we don't care what they did for all those years. these are the real parasites who gutted detroit. i was honored last week. i received an e-mail from the president of oxford university. and i have been asked to speak in october over in england at oxford university at the debating society. they want to hear from a liberal. and the perspective of a liberal in american politics. how in good conscience can i go over to oxford and talk about america without mentioning detroit? and what really has happened?

we now circumvent local elections in this country. we discard what people want and say about their communities. they don't have ownership. it used to be a democracy. apparently now it is not. we have corporations that refuse to invest in communities because you see, we have this attack on labor. we don't like paying anybody anymore. in fact, we've even got a political party in america that is voted 40 times to take away health care from americans. we don't care about the outcome. the only thing we care about is the chain. the only thing we care about is profit. we are developing a society of the haves and the have-nots. aware not investing in infrastructure. we have bridges that are falling down. but america is a great country. you folks at oxford ought to come over and check it out. if you have money. we want to reduce your taxes if you're the wealthy. america has had greatness. and there are elements of this country that are unparalleled in

the world. but we are falling from within by not could you being on american workers in vaug workers as value. viewing communities that need to be resourced as the heartbeat of this country. what changed? more coming up on the ed show and future shows. i'll tell you what's changed. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question. who are the real parasites in detroit? text a for conservatives. text b for unions. 676 it was. you can always leave a comment at our blog. we'll bring you the results later in the show. i'm joined by two people who are in the fight. living in detroit and surviving this financial crisis. the president of the detroit branch of the naacp. reverend wendell anthony and lee. great to have you with us tonight. i want to share with you. i want to share with you and get your reaction to something that

kevin orr, the city's financial manager who was appointed by the governor. this is what he said. he told the "wall street journal." for a long time, the city was dumb, lazy, happy and rich. he goes on to say that if you had an eighth grade education, you'll get 30 years of a good job and a pension and great health care. now that's his quote. lee, your thoughts on that. is that, does that describe detroit? why are the insults coming the way they're coming right now? >> because they want to avoid the facts, ed. detroit has some of the hardest working, committed people in this country. detroit labor built this country. the auto industry created the middle class along with unions. they would love to play into the racism and bigotry. and he is an agent of that

bigotry and racism and he wanted to play on that by making you think because detroit is a majority city of color, that we're all lazy and stupid and we don't deserve anything that we have. >> going back to george will's comment, are unions a parasite on your city? and also address what he said about, you have a cultural problem. that is about as insulting and as racist as it gets. or maybe you don't view it that way. >> you called it, ed. thank you for your analysis. i certainly believe that rush ought to hush and george will ought to chill. because what they're saying is intellectually bankrupt, socially arrogant. basically just downright untrue. haven't they read the commission report, commissioned by lyndon johnson in 1967? it came out in '68 which talked about the fact we would have cities, one black and one white. if we did not do certain things

within the urban communities across this country. he also said that it was economic disenfranchisement. a social apartheid in american cities that were leading to this. george will talked about, or rush limbaugh even said that coleman young caused the riots. he was not mayor of detroit until six years later. he was the only mayor in detroit's history to have a 50/50 administration. 50% white. 50% black. folks forget that. it is not single mothers, ed, that caused a meltdown on wall street. it is not single mothers that cause general motors and chrysler to go brumt. it is not single mothers and the poor that caused the banking industry to melt down and to do sub prime loans. it is not single mothers and poor people that has caused the economic downturn in this country. we get a bite with a smile from rnlg jo will. we get a bite with a growl.

we need to have a policy not a social declaration. >> okay. >> reverend, i want to you respond to limbaugh's comments blaming white flight. what about that? >> obviously there has been a movement out of urban communities, in all urban communities around the country. that did not start with coleman young. that began years prior to that. after the riots, there was a great migration. suburban communities are moving. the jobs are there. it has nothing to do with coleman young. he was the one bringing folks together. we have to bring our society together. we have to look at the policies, ed. rather than the rhetoric that folks are spewing out. >> well, the policies are, send the jobs overseas and let the neighborhoods fall apart. everybody offends for themselves and concentrate the wealth.

what about your neighborhood? did the destruction of the homes continue? are they on the fast pace? >> thanks to your show, we've been able to stop them or put a pause in it for now. we had a meeting last week and we asked them if there is anything else that could be done with that $100 million other than tear down homes. they told us no. we told them to go someplace else in areas that needed to have homes torn down. if you have house that had are desirable, that people want to live in. and the banks refuse to take care of them. to maintain their property and they're using tax money. not their own money. they're using our tax money the tear the houses down, that prevenlts houses from going back on the tax roles and they're leaving the debris in piles in our neighborhood. at this meeting they told us that the michigan department of

environmental qual said some of the houses had as bestos and mold. even though they looked sound on the outside, on the inside they were untenable. why did you tear down the house, leave it there for people to bring in mold next to a house that has a 2-year-old child living in it. if this is your case, you have a lawsuit on your hands. you just put our whole community in danger. >> quickly, reverend. >> go ahead. >> i want to say this. what detroit needs are jobs, jobs, joks. what detroit needs is reinvestment. what detroit needs is for the government to assist. in terms of job training, in terms of education. in terms of renovation and rehabilitation. in term of the waterway that we have right next to our national, to a nation that's right across.

that's what detroit needs. detroit does not need people to beat her down. detroit needs people to lift her up. >> thanks so much for joining us. we're going to stay on this story on the ed show. i think it is a travesty that we accept defeat in inner cities in this country. for george will to say that investment is not important, i find it amazing. remember to answer the question at the bottom of the screen and share your thoughts on twitter and facebook. coming up, a wide receiver gets tackled over a racist remark at a country music concert. find out why he is singing the blues on the sidelines. protests break out across the country. we'll tell you what these workers want. i'm here at my house on thanksgiving day, and i have a massive heart attack right in my driveway. the doctor put me on a bayer aspirin regimen.

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time now for the trenders. "the ed show" media nation has decided and we are reporting. here are the top trenders voted on by you. our number three trender. bird brain. >> a racial slur uttered at a kenny chesney concert has brought far more attention than anything he has done so far on the gridiron. >> the eagles wide receiver riley cooper's offense goes viral. >> 28 terrible. >> it hurt me personally. i don't think that is a reflection of who riley is. >> i shouldn't have, i'm disgusted and i'm sorry. >> number two, pork politics. >> check out the latest dust-up between chris christie and rand

paulie. >> two gop favorites squeal over spending. >> senator paul wants to look at where he's going to cut spending, maybe he should start cutting the pork barrel spending that he brings home to kentucky. most politicians only care about bringing home the bacon. >> it's not true. i don't vote to bring home any bacon. >> will cooler heads prevail? over a few cool ones? >> if we can sit down, i'm inviting him for a beer. >> i don't really have time for that. >> oh, dear lord. >> in this week's top trender. a fair fight. >> we don't need pennies. >> workers across the country fight for better wages. >> it is really the only humane option we have. >> senator bernie sanders fights

republican lies. >> workers, will it kill jobs? >> it sounds great. >> verl has the third highest minimum wage. the fourth lowest unemployment rate in this country. >> senator, great to have you with us on the ed show. the question that person posed was where does the money come from? i'm screaming at the monitor saying corporate profits are through the roof. i mean, it is almost like the other side is in denial. i have to ask you, is there any chance that congress is going to be able to get the country on its side when it comes to raising the minimum wage to the levels where people can have a d.c. d.c., a decent wage in. >> we already have the overwhelming majority of american people on our side who believe the idea, that $7.25 is

totally obscene. it is a starvation wage. the american people believe absolutely that we should raise the minimum wage. i hope we can get strong legislation. i hope by building a strong grassroots movement around this issue, we can force the house to do the right thing. bottom line is, we have a collapsing middle class. we have far too many people living in poverty. one of the reasons for that, we have tens of million of people working at starvation wages. we have to create millions of new jobs that raise the minimum wage to living wage. >> what do you say to the folks who are saying, and in that debate that you had, that walmart and mcdonald's can't afford to raise the minimum wage. >> the wealthiest in this country is the walton family. they are worth about $100

billion. that's more wealth than the bottom 40%. 40% of the american people. one of the reasons that the walton family, the owners of walmart, are so wealthy, is that they receive huge subsidies from the taxpayers of this country. when you pay at walmart starvation wages, you don't provide benefits to the workers who pick up the difference. many of them end up getting medicaid, food stamps, they get affordable housing paid for by the taxpayers of this country while the walton family remains the wealthiest family in america. if that is not obscene, i don't know what is. >> senator, do you believe, of course, the republicans have not helped out on any jobs package whatsoever they're stuck in the mud. they don't want to work with the democrats or help this president on a jobs bill in any way, shame or form.

do you think the republicans want higher unemployment so people will be so desperate, they will go to the corporations and work for $7.25 an hour and have no voice and no push and no union to stick up for them? do you think the republicans, do you think that this is a conservative utopia? that they like everything the way it is right now? >> let me take it a step further and this will shock you and your viewers. the fact of the matter is, there areal, many republicans in congress right now, programs the majority, who not only are opposed to raising the minimum wage. they want to abolish the minimum wage. that's the truth. in a city like detroit, remember, 40% of the black kids in this country are facing unemployment. 20% of the young people in this country facing unemployment. 14% of the american people unemployed. they believe that if they can

hire, if an employer can hire a worker at $3 and $4 an hour, that's fine. that's freedom. get government out of the business of regulating a minimum wage. what i happen to believe is very, very different. >> go ahead. >> if we're going to grow the middle class, we have to create decent paying jobs. one way to do that is to raise the minimum wage to at least $10 an hour which is what the american people want. >> what do you say to the fast food workers in a fight right now to push forward? i guess, i don't recall any time in the news cycle where we have seen workers step out on the verge of real organization here. what do you make of that? >> i was on the floor of the senate last week. just expressing my extraordinary admiration for their courage.

and believe me it takes a lot of courage to walk out of a fast food establishment knowing that you can be fired. what they are doing is standing up, not only for economic justice for themselves, they are standing up for all working americans and saying that we have got to create a situation in this country where we are creating decent paying jobs. not jobs that are paying a starvation wage. so i have a lot of respect for what these young people are doing. >> appreciate your time. thank you for joining us. coming up, rush limbaugh is about to get bounced. we'll talk about the slow death of conservative talk radio just ahead. gosh, has the market changed because of what people have said. first i'm taking your questions. so i'm checking out the jetta. 34 hwy mpg. check. no-charge scheduled maintenance. check. and here's the kicker... 0% apr for 60 months.

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we love hearing from our viewers. the first question come from deborah. why are we not fighting hard he, ed, to stop the corporate takeover of public schools? deborah, i think a lot of people in this country are in denial and don't understand exactly what is going on. the systematic destruction. there is a media force out there all on the same page. the conservatives whoville identify public education every chance they get. it is like their main theme of education. teachers are bad, unions are bad. there is no sense in putting money into schools that aren't productive and are not giving us the test results we want. i think there are a multitude of problems out there that are hurting public education and it all starts with a bad narrative and a lying narrative, coming from the conservatives. and so i honestly think that education is so fundamental in

our country's history. we really don't know how to fight back against. this how do you save public education? nobody has ever really attacked it before until these jokers came along. we're going to talk a lot about it. there is a corporate takeover and i think that we are picking and choosing kids and neighborhoods. our next question comes from marge. ed, would you please run as hillary's vice president? wow! do you think i should be vice president? respect my time off a little bit. hillary is a tough customer. i wouldn't get anywherer in a the amount of time fishing if i was working for hillary clinton. she is a hard driver. ain't going to happen. stick around. the rapid response panel is next on "the ed show." how much protein

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that people that listen to ten hours of talk radio a week are voting republican by a 3-1 margin. those are the people that elected the new congress. that's why this is the limbaugh congress. >> as of today, i think we can finally put this back where it belongs in history. right there. welcome back to the "ed show." back in january i did a comary on the waning influence of conservative talk radio on the political system in this country. my main point in all of this was rush limbaugh is less relevant than ever. this week i was proven correct. cumulus media is planning to drop both limbaugh and sean handy from its stations at the end of the year.

the second largest syndicator in this country has decided it will not renew the contracts of limbaugh and handy. they say negotiations are still going on. this will result in the shows being dropped from more than 40, what we call big am stations and fm outlets across the country. according to reports, the decision was made due to disagreements over distribution costs. however, i have a different opinion. rush limbaugh and sean hannity have spent years on the radio spreading hate and lies about hard working americans, and guess what? it doesn't sell anymore. >> four more years of obama will end america, the country we love as we know it. >> obama is monkeying the number here. jimmying around with thing in an election year. >> i don't know what tomorrow's job number will be. i have no doubt they'll cook the books will. >> gun violence is plummeting. here we have a totally made up crisis.

in fact, i'll bet, it is like global warming. >> now the president said trayvon could have been me 35 years ago. is that the president admitting i guess because what? he was part of the choom gang and he smoked pot and he did a little blow? >> yes, i spoke a little negro dialect. i can do that when i want to. >> for more on the downfall of limbaugh. gentlemen, great to have you with us tonight. you first. how big a deal is it that limbaugh and hannity are going to be dropped from the cumulus stations? this is a conservative company that has never taken an hour of liberal talk radio. now saying that the big voices on the conservative dial, they don't measure up anymore. they don't make us any money. what does it mean? >> wabc new york, wls chicago, wbap dallas, wjr, detroit, wmal

washington, all owned by cumulus media. a big competitor of rush limbaugh's boss, clear channel. two companies, staggered with untenable debt brought in mid 90s deregulation run amok. this is for real and this negotiating in public is like nothing we've ever seen on talk radio. now, it may just be a dance. at the end of the day, nothing could change. but it sure seem ominous now. when you lose all those big stations and you have to relocate, here the problem. radio listening is habit. and there are presets on the dashboard. what if the voice who is there the day after rush limbaugh leaves, health care i kind of like this guy. that's the problem. >> how much did the sandra ordeal take place? limbaugh went after a private citizen had a wanted to tell her story in front of a congressional committee.

she became splashed all over the news a year and a half ago. advertisers left. a lot of people lost their jobs. that has never really recovered in many respects. is this what is hurting limbaugh? >> ed, this is costing his big stations money. the commercials you hear on his show. it is always enter the promo code rush. they're all direct response deal. the blue chip advertisers have fled. the problem is they haven't just fled his show and the other righties. they've put the stink on talk radio generally. the "wall street journal" report accu-weather, charles osgood, some real bread and butter talk radio programming, supported by commercials is now complicated because there are these do not buy lists at the major agencies and a lot of big national brands want nothing to do with talk radio. >> mike, what is the future for these right wing talkers and the effect it might have on other

right wing talkers? you and i have had our challenges when it come to liberal talk. cumulus is never to my knowledge taken an hour of syndicated talk radio. we've been told that it doesn't sell. it does sell. this is the free market at work. what is the future? >> the manage many sees that rush is angry, excitable, aging audience is rapidly disappearing. rush is experiencing exactly the same thing that the gop is experiencing with diminishing demographics. they're not tuning in to crazy uncle talk. they don't want to hear the big boys' toxic messaging. you add to that the saturation problem where you have right wing hate talkers, flying monkeys everywhere trying to occupy that space. it become monotonous and boring. my bet is that you'll see cumulus replace these desperate wing nuts with more sports

broadcasting. they love that 25 to 53 audience. almost perfect demographics. the big contract days are over. it needs to start, he needs to start investing this money. he has not had a creative idea in a long time. he used to be creative during the clinton years. he has lost his edge. these are brilliant. they understand business. they understand they can't pay a wind bag like this $20 million a year and lose $3 million the first quarter of business because his hate talking has cost him advertisers themselves cannot do business like that will. >> what about that hate talk? is there a new level of acceptance for listeners? >> well, it is the garden variety shock jock start. he is right about sports radio. and do you know what i predict?

in 2014 when all of this debt has been shuffled with rush and sean moving to different stations. i think you're going to see a renaissance of local programming. it is now less expensive to find and fund a good local host where you keep all of the commercial inventory. you've got somebody who can could live remote broadcasts in your city. you can sell endorsements on the air. a lot of the things a national show cannot do i think the economics are turning on rush limbaugh. >> in so many ways, has president obama kind of infiltrated the conservative talk radio? because they hate him so much. he's led them down the path of destruction. >> he was brilliant.

he got in the discussion. it is as if he led them into the attack. it was how crazy can the conspiracy get. how much hate can we spew? >> it's rope-a-donpe. >> we're all americans. we want the country to do well and prosper. we love debate. at least we used to. we've had 41 months of private sector job growth. that's a solid number. we have all the bickering on the radio on the conservative side and the vilification that has taken place. is this putting pressure on managers saying, our audience doesn't want to hear it. >> it is what mike said a minute ago. how long can any act stay hot? to his credit, on thursday, rush limbaugh celebrated 25 years on radio. politics and personalities aside. that is a lot. the current controversy is about

where is he going to be on his 26th anniversary? how long can an axe stay hot? >> exactly. great to have you both with us tonight. thanks so much. in our survey, i asked you, who are the real parasites in detroit? 95% of you say the conservatives. 5% say unions. up next, stewart varney visits the kirby couch to launch an attack on grandma and grandpa? i'm here at my house on thanksgiving day,

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stamps. it is part of the buy the vote campaign that is really shifting america. changing what america really is. >> if they're hungry, they should get it. if they qualify. >> yeah. should they? should people be going out, give it to me, give it to me, give it to me now. >> if keeping seniors in need from going hungry is just politics from the democrats, i would hate to see what republicans have on the menu. the aarp is not big a supporter of president obama. the organization is not a big supporter of obamacare. the aarp is a supporter of care and the policies that will help protect a vulnerable group which is seniors. fox news wants to us believe that neglecting the elderly is what america really is. they can keep on pretending. the postal service is critical to our economy.

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who take a shower after work. moreover, anthony weiner. the nypd controversial stop and frisk policy is taking center stage of debate in this year's race for new york city mayor. >> with a reasonable suspicion that someone is about to, is or has committed a crime -- >> opponents say it's tantamount to racial profiling. >> they don't want aggressive policing, but they do want safe streets. >> maybe our friends across the street should look at the numbers, if they matter. the nypd made over half a million stops last year alone. 55% of those stopped were black, 32% were latino, people of color. in fact, only 10% were white folks who were stopped. so much for reasonable suspicion. according to the new york civil liberties union, a whopping 89% of those stopped were innocent. we wanted to know how people really feel about the policy, so

"the ed show" asked some folks in new york city, in bryant park. take a look. >> stop and frisk is a clever way to disguise racial profiling. >> i've been stopped. >> you're not going to get frisked. i am, though, more than likely. depending on what you wear, it might be a cold night and i need a hoodie. we know what that leads to. >> i'm surprised he gets stopped so often. usually he's in a suit and tie. >> me? really. >> i see the negatives and positives to doing it. >> no problem with it? >> they can check me any time. i think it's a good thing. you never know who is carrying a weapon. >> it would be nice if there's a little oversight so there's some accountability so no one can say, oh, he looks like a problem. let me pat him down. >> i'd rather be safe than to be worried about what's happening on the subways or anywhere else. >> they should do it moran domly.

i've never been stopped. everybody says i look like a cop. >> people might say he's got corn rows, braids, chains, tattoos. but that just could be how he expresses himself. it doesn't mean he's necessarily up to no good. >> joining many is new york city comptroller john liou who is running for mayor. thanks so much for joining us. >> great to be on. >> tell us your position on stop and frisk. this is now the key issue with many new yorkers. it comes down to how people are treated by people of authority on the street. if you were mayor, would you continue this policy? >> no, i would not. my position is clear. i'm against stop and frisk. i don't think it works. i think it its actually ripped communities apart and it makes it less safe. i think it's a misappropriation of police resources. i believe in community policing which is what i would do, community policing where the

cops are working hand in hand with pastors, imams, business owners, community activists who generally know where the problems are in their community. if the cops would work closely with the community, they would be able to be that much more effective in reducing crime and keeping people safe. stop and frisk is stopping hundreds of thousands of people, almost all of whom have done nothing wrong. it's not the way to deploy resources. >> so you definitely would get rid of the policy. commissioner kelly represents pretty clearly here the hard line on all this. if you were mayor would you keep commissioner kelly or make a change? >> i'd make a change. i'm looking for all new people throughout my administration. the stop and frisk tactic is racial profiling. let's call it for what it is, it's racial profiling that happens to be the biggest form here anywhere in the united states of america. look, it's been three weeks since we got the zimmerman verdict. huge amounts of outrage here in new york city and beyond

america. this is a problem where i think people are starting to get the idea, the sense that there is still this pervasive notion that, if you're a young person of color, you must somehow be up to no good. that's probably what was going through zimmerman's mind. that could have been going through the jury when they made the verdict. the sense that young people of color must be up to no good, i think it allowed mayor bloomberg, our own mayor in new york city a few weeks ago to say that latin americans, latinos should be stopped even more than they are now and white people should be stopped less. this sense that young people of color are up to no good is also, i believe, the rationale and the justification behind the stop and frisk policy that really is not the best way to use resources. and there are other things that can be done. community policing that will be much more effective in keeping people safe and crime down. >> do you think it's important,

mr. liu, to understand what the cops on the street think about this. do you think they're put in an untenable position? what about the way they do their job? should they have input on this? some of them might think stop and frisk is important. >> i have spoken to dozens of police officers in the community who actually are sent on assignments to conduct the stop and frisk. the consensus that i hear is they don't want to have to be able to do it. they are sent out there. they have quotas to meet. the mayor says there are no quotas. he says performance measures. the reality is that the cops are doing things that they don't necessarily want to do. i believe that through community policing we should give the cops more time to be in the community and get involved in knowing what's happening out there so that they can really see who they're protecting. and by having a much closer community-police relation, we can keep people much safer in

new york city. >> mr. liu, i got straight answers from you tonight. that's very rare when somebody is running for office. >> hold on a second you should have me more often then. >> appreciate you talking to "the ed show." thanks so much. i'm ed schultz. we'll see you tomorrow night at 5:00 eastern. have a good one.

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